Wednesday, August 15, 2007

Revisiting the 28k hand

First of all, thank you for the well wishes. I am doing much better today. I'm hoping that by the end of the week, since I'll be home all day, I can pull a Jordan or LJ and score a nice tournament win... aaaah, one can dream.

Alright, well, this post also was supposed to come sooner but what with the "intestinal tilt" that I was on (coined by Pushmonkey, good one!), it took me a few days to get to it. Well, if you hadn't read it, it was about my hand deep in the 28k with about 21 players remaining. Click here for the original post. And tons of great comments came out of that and also made me see where I am still a tournament donk. Now, I don't mean that in a "it's so obvious" type of way even though for some, it may have been.

But Mike_Maloney put it best.

"Late in a tournament, with the blinds as high as they are, you generally have to be very suspect of people who raise instead of pushing when their M is only around 5."

That's a very good point. And in reviewing the hand, I totally agree. And here are my excuses for not seeing that. It was late in the tournament and I think my focus wasn't quite where it was. I was also getting excited with the prospect of final tabling this thing. And admittedly, after going a few orbits with absolute crap and getting shoved on any steal or resteal attempts, I was getting fairly impatient. When I saw JJ there, they looked golden. In other words, I was no longer at the top of my game. And in a NL tournament, one mistake could cost you. Just like it did me.

Another key thing is what LJ mentioned in her blog here. "sometimes you just have to lay down what might be the best hand." That's also an interesting mindset in that in the situation I was in, even if I had the best hand, it is almost for sure that the two others have overcards and unless they have the exact same hand, basically, they have 9 outs 5 times (any A, K, or Q). That's not a good situation for me and being that I had a decent stack, it's just another reason why I shoulda folded.

In reviewing everyone's comments, I can now honestly tell that that wasn't as tough a situation as I thought it was and for that, I thank everyone for making me see that. I will work on my tournament game in the next few days in between my naps that I'll be taking plenty of.


Chad C said...

Folding is overrated.... Push and Pray Baby!

Sia said...

Was in almost the exact situation last night with 10/10. Only thing was that we were three handed (SNG). I was on the button and SB, who was also big stack raised 5x the blind. BB who was about even with me goes over top all in. I felt like I might have been ahead of both of them but didn't want to take the chance because I had a fairly healthy stack (and I was hoping to fall into second place by having Big stack take out the BB guy). Well, it turned out that Big stack had A/Q and BB had 7/7. Was kind of surprised about their holdings because I thought I would have been in more trouble than that. Even worse....10 on the flop and 10 on the turn.
Freaking Quads.
Bad play? I don't think so but not real sure.
I know it's not the same situation since we were three handed but I thought about that 28k tourney hand you had.

cmitch said...

You left a comment on my blog about the program that I used to graph the hands from PT. It is called pokergrapher. You can download it at

It is a fun program if you play a lot of cash games.

SubZero said...

Hello Alan. Being a man in the know, I was hoping you could point me in the direction of legal advice for online poker players living in the US? I may be living in New York for a year (albeit as a UK citizen) and wanted to know whether I will be able to play online, or whether I should cut off my arms instead. Thanks!

ps With a hand like JJ, as Sia said: basically you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.