Wednesday, March 5, 2008

OTP lives here

I am a One Trick Pony. I have no clue strategically, how to play stud... hi or low. Or pot limit omaha... hi or low. So, the game starts... I mean I know how the game works but again, I have no idea what's a good starting hand, etc. Yes, I know AA(A) would be nice but you know, what else are good? So, basically, I just decided to stick with the basic strategy where I looked at my cards, looked at everyone else's and if people had more than 2 of my connecting cards, I would muck. So unless I had a high PP or 3 broadway cards, if they are suited or connected, as long as I didn't see 2 of the same suit out there or 2 of the cards I would need to make a straight out there, I would play.

In the beginning, I needed some answers but no one on my table would accomodate... so I had to pull in the assistant. The following are actual questions I asked:

me: in stud... if your door cards are 99 (door cards are hidden cards right?), but you see a 9 in someone else's exposed card, and before you put any money in, someone with an A completes the bring in, is folding the right move?
or is that retardedly tight?

As evidenced above, in the beginning, I didn't even know proper terminology. (for those that still don't know, you are dealt two hole cards which are the hidden ones and one door card which is the exposed one)

Another question I had to ask:

me: hey, since I'm chatting alone at my table
is the HH all jumbled or are they in order the cards are dealt?

Above is clearly indicative of no one answering my questions.

me: I just folded KK door card after 5th street to a guy showing 10-8-3 but put in a raise
one K was dead
one pair is not so good in stud, right?

In my defense to above question, I believe the action was fairly heavy enough that I didn't think one pair was good enough to continue... granted, I was shocked with the amount of one pair hands that went to showdown. I mean I honestly don't have a clue in stud but if you're getting dealt 7 cards, my instincts already tell me that one pair is not that good... Admittedly, the assistant's response was this:

Bayne: that is weak in against bloggers

me: can't be with 7 cards being dealt
Bayne: 1p no good
me: except in blonkaments?
Bayne: but 2 to come

Not sure if Bayne was just yankin my chain or not... I just couldn't see myself calling the raised big bet (the action before it got to me was bet, raise so I'd have to call 2 big bets, assuming the initial bettor doesn't put in 3rd bet), knowing I have to call two more if I don't catch another pair on the 6th street. That just seemed a little too spewy considering I had no other realistic draws. Maybe I think too much...

After a while, I'm getting the hang of it... and I start seeing some incredible things... to which I commented (sorry if you were in this pot... I was really just shocked to see it happen).

these guys are atrocious
Buddy dank is betting... showing QQ
4 callers until the 7th crd
two of them FOLDS
one of them calls with two pair!
neither pair higher than Q

me: Buddy was betting every street
there was raise, reraise
2000+ pot
buddy shows QQQ
Bayne: obv

I have some HH's saved here that I could post... and maybe it's just me because I'm not used to it but 7 stud HHs are hard to decipher...

In the end though, I busted in 19th place when my QQ(4) was no match to the villain's AA(J). With the J exposed, I thought when I raised and he reraised, he had a J in the hole card. Because I was fairly short stacked and with all the weak hands that actually went to showdown prior to this, I thought I was good... until the cards were flipped over. Reading strength/weakness was definitely hard for me and I did notice that I was giving too much credit to certain players.

One interesting hand also happened against Lucko where I had QQ hidden. There was some preflop action but when all the money went in, lucko was ahead with two pair. I had a monster draw so I put in the 4th raise. Lucko had less than 2 streets worth betting so I wasn't folding at that point based on the cards I had. I get lucky on the river but I can't imagine that I'm too much of a dog here when the money goes in. Here's the actual HH.

Full Tilt Poker Game #5506048290: Skill Series (40521319), Table 5 - 500/1000 Ante 100 - Limit Stud Hi - 23:50:16 ET - 2008/03/04
Seat 1: lucko21 (4,816)
Seat 2: Rob110178 (1,919)
Seat 3: RecessRampage (8,734)
Seat 4: Jestocost (16,796)
Seat 5: BuddyDank (3,081)
Seat 6: IslandBum1 (6,340)
Seat 7: chitwood (4,128)
lucko21 antes 100
Rob110178 antes 100
RecessRampage antes 100
Jestocost antes 100
BuddyDank antes 100
IslandBum1 antes 100
chitwood antes 100
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to lucko21 [Th]
Dealt to Rob110178 [8c]
Dealt to RecessRampage [Qs Qc] [Js]
Dealt to Jestocost [9s]
Dealt to BuddyDank [3d]
Dealt to IslandBum1 [4d]
Dealt to chitwood [6s]
BuddyDank is low with [3d]
BuddyDank brings in for 150
IslandBum1 folds
chitwood folds
lucko21 completes it to 500
Rob110178 folds
RecessRampage calls 500
Jestocost folds
BuddyDank folds
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to lucko21 [Th] [5h]
Dealt to RecessRampage [Qs Qc Js] [Ac]
RecessRampage bets 500
lucko21 calls 500
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to lucko21 [Th 5h] [7d]
Dealt to RecessRampage [Qs Qc Js Ac] [Ts]
RecessRampage bets 1,000
lucko21 raises to 2,000
RecessRampage has 15 seconds left to act
RecessRampage has requested TIME

At this point, when I am showing that board, and lucko knowing the way I play poker in general, I actually figured him for a fairly strong hand. But since I got the T, I couldn't believe that lucko would have the remaining three 10's. I was a little confused. But if he's raising, he definitely has a better hand than my one pair. Having said that, the pot is so big, and lucko only has enough to bet out on two streets so I figured if all our money is going in anyways, might as well just get it in now (I mean I'm not folding at this point on the 6th or 7th street).

RecessRampage raises to 3,000
lucko21 raises to 3,716, and is all in
RecessRampage calls 716
lucko21 shows [7h Td Th 5h 7d]
RecessRampage shows [Qs Qc Js Ac Ts]
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to lucko21 [7h Td Th 5h 7d] [Jd]
Dealt to RecessRampage [Qs Qc Js Ac Ts] [3h]
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to lucko21 [7h Td Th 5h 7d Jd] [9c]
Dealt to RecessRampage [Qs Qc Js Ac Ts 3h] [As]
lucko21 shows [7h Td Th 5h 7d Jd 9c] two pair, Tens and Sevens
RecessRampage shows [Qs Qc Js Ac Ts 3h As] two pair, Aces and Queens
RecessRampage wins the pot (10,282) with two pair, Aces and Queens
lucko21 stands up

I don't know odds and statistics in stud so I have to go by what I remembered. I knew I didn't see any face cards (I obv keep track of stuff like that, naturally) so I was fairly certain I had a fair amount of outs. I am guessing I'm behind but not by much when the money goes in. Who knows, maybe I'm a huge dog but I can't imagine. Oh... and sadly (but true), this is the first time in the whole tournament that I realized this was a KO tourney... seriously, how retarded am I????

This is my final hand where I overvalued my hidden pocket pair.

Full Tilt Poker Game #5506328668: Skill Series (40521319), Table 5 - 1000/2000 Ante 150 - Limit Stud Hi - 0:13:24 ET - 2008/03/05
Seat 1: pkrplr4116 (14,035)
Seat 2: Rob110178 (6,257)
Seat 3: RecessRampage (7,800)
Seat 4: Jestocost (36,274)
Seat 5: lilkimmer77 (7,068)
Seat 6: SirFWALGMan (22,043)
Seat 7: Mean_G (20,152)
pkrplr4116 antes 150
Rob110178 antes 150
RecessRampage antes 150
Jestocost antes 150
lilkimmer77 antes 150
SirFWALGMan antes 150
Mean_G antes 150
Jestocost: wink wink
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to pkrplr4116 [6h]
Dealt to Rob110178 [3s]
Dealt to RecessRampage [Qc Qd] [4s]
Dealt to Jestocost [9h]
Dealt to lilkimmer77 [Jh]
Dealt to SirFWALGMan [Tc]
Dealt to Mean_G [4h]
Rob110178 is low with [3s]
Rob110178 brings in for 300
SirFWALGMan: lol
RecessRampage completes it to 1,000
Jestocost folds
lilkimmer77 raises to 2,000
SirFWALGMan folds
Mean_G folds
pkrplr4116 folds
SirFWALGMan: i had at least 17 outs
Rob110178 folds
SirFWALGMan: lol
RecessRampage raises to 3,000
lilkimmer77 raises to 4,000
SirFWALGMan: maybe more but i cant count
RecessRampage calls 1,000
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to RecessRampage [Qc Qd 4s] [2s]
Dealt to lilkimmer77 [Jh] [Ts]
lilkimmer77 bets 1,000
RecessRampage raises to 2,000
lilkimmer77 raises to 2,918, and is all in
RecessRampage calls 918
lilkimmer77 shows [Ah Ad Jh Ts]
RecessRampage shows [Qc Qd 4s 2s]
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to RecessRampage [Qc Qd 4s 2s] [8d]
Dealt to lilkimmer77 [Ah Ad Jh Ts] [8h]
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to RecessRampage [Qc Qd 4s 2s 8d] [7s]
Dealt to lilkimmer77 [Ah Ad Jh Ts 8h] [Jc]
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to RecessRampage [Qc Qd 4s 2s 8d 7s] [3c]
Dealt to lilkimmer77 [Ah Ad Jh Ts 8h Jc] [Js]
lilkimmer77 shows [Ah Ad Jh Ts 8h Jc Js] a full house, Jacks full of Aces
RecessRampage shows [Qc Qd 4s 2s 8d 7s 3c] a pair of Queens
lilkimmer77 wins the pot (15,186) with a full house, Jacks full of Aces

Oh... I just realized this wasn't the hand I busted out on... but this crippled me enough that the next hand was insignificant.

This was fun though. I guess variety is the spice of life.

In the Bodonkey, I came in 12th when I had a ridiculous mental melt down and shoved TT from UTG with a fairly healthy stack (the moment I shoved, I said out loud, holy shit, wtf did I just do!?) Everyone was folding so I was just about to feel relieved when the BB calls with AA... I bust 12th. Honestly, I can't explain why I shoved. I was not in a push shove mode, I could easily have made a standard raise and fold to a shove and still have enough chips to have good fold equity. Kurokitty was there and even though he was nice on gchat, I'm sure his thought was "what the hell just happened to Recess?" And honestly, I have no idea... literally, I clicked on the max button on Bodog, clicked on bet, and within a nanosecond, I said "oh shit!" Literally, a mental meltdown... I have no excuse. This is a good time to pile on Recess "mr I am feeling good about my MTT game/how can you overplay medium pocket pair" Rampage. That was just bad, bad play.

Oh well. I plan on winning the Mookie tonight. See you all there!


lj said...

"this is the first time in the whole tournament that I realized this was a KO tourney... seriously, how retarded am I????"

that's a rhetorical question, right? and your play in the bodonkey pales in comparison to mine, where i CALLED an all in w/ just a flush draw. wait, does that make me even more retarded than you? sheeeeeeeeeeeeeet.

bayne_s said...

I just regurgitated a little of what was read in supersystem Monday night.

you need to find a real expert

like waffles

lucko said...

Our hand was basically a flip. I think you were a slight favorite, but I could be wrong.

In stud, you shouldnt be seeing 6th street very often without 2 pair+ or a decent draw.

Riggstad said...

Alan, that buddy hand with QQ showing is hysterical.

He and I were talking (off air) during that hand and I couldn't believe the calls he was getting.

I think basically all 4 players called every street, and he raised every street.

On 7th when he raised again and got one caller I said I wouldn't be surprised if he has nothing short of a smaller set.

He had no str8 cards and no real shot at a flush. When he showed 2 pair we both gasped.

funny stuff.

Eric a.k.a. Bone Daddy said...

echo what lucko said. It's ok to call through 4th street, as it is still cheap to get a look at the fifth card, but you will face a minimum of 3 full bets from there, so you better have a hand.

Don't fear the complete with the ace door if you have decent hole cards, its almost required to complete with the high card. In fact, I will often RR the ace door to represent strong hole cards and fire on 4th to find where I stand.