tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8207694267965942223.post3796432746478956946..comments2024-01-11T04:34:33.017-05:00Comments on RecessRampage - Poker and other stuff: Follow up thoughts on the hand against FischmanAlan aka RecessRampagehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00544791207717813141noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8207694267965942223.post-22207997402348791762008-03-04T16:05:00.000-05:002008-03-04T16:05:00.000-05:00Right, luck plays a factor in all forms of poker. ...Right, luck plays a factor in all forms of poker. My point is that it's repulsive that someone playing like a donk can wing it all the way to a championship.<BR/>I wish tournament poker would move more toward a double shootout format, which I believe would reduce the likelihood that some donk can accumulate enough chips through suckouts to survive all the way to the winner's seat.Gnomehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06181215527323378978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8207694267965942223.post-49913194193322336812008-03-04T15:58:00.000-05:002008-03-04T15:58:00.000-05:00Riggstad, as I already told you in the email, I am...Riggstad, as I already told you in the email, I am happy to have a known pro in the field. And again, I agreed with his take of no one seemed to want to fight him for pots and I wanted to send that message. I just felt a slightly bigger raise woulda done that. I think he may still have shoved given the pot size and how close in % we were (based on what he put me on) but I just thought a bigger raise was in order. I was not scared of busting (as evidenced by me busting a hand later) and I was playing to win, not to cash.<BR/><BR/>Gnome, I agree to an extent but when you see some of the online pros consistently take down some of the bigger tourneys, you have to admit that the luck factor must be minimized. I mean sure, we can all win a tourney or two if the field size is like 100 if we get smacked in the face with the deck. Believe me, I, of all people would know this since I took down the Mookie in BBT2 when I had AA and KK countless times and when it mattered most, I sucked out when my A6 > AA against sellthekids. So, sure, luck is a factor but in the short term, luck is a factor in cash games. I had one session where my AA < AK three times... 3 times in one session! All preflop all in. All I'm saying is that luck plays a factor in every form of poker. And btw, I think it was the 12 yr old that won the Mookie. Get your facts straight! :)Alan aka RecessRampagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00544791207717813141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8207694267965942223.post-27835578770012849762008-03-04T15:26:00.000-05:002008-03-04T15:26:00.000-05:00It's clear to me that in MOST tournaments, there's...It's clear to me that in MOST tournaments, there's little you can do to dodge beats and win it all. Skill is important, but luck weighs so heavily in any one tournament.<BR/>Good players minimize the impact of luck, but there's no way they can eliminate it.<BR/>It's just a fact of life in tournaments, and it's what disgusts me about this lucksack-filled form of poker. It seems so wrong to me that Scott Fischman or an 8-year-old can win an entire blogger tournament while playing so poorly. I'm not angry at Fischman himself; I'm disgusted at a format that allows him to win with hands like T6s and A2. <BR/>Try bringing that to a cash game and see what happens.Gnomehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06181215527323378978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8207694267965942223.post-3045382586533192172008-03-04T14:47:00.000-05:002008-03-04T14:47:00.000-05:00That hand against Fishman alan, I think ONE decisi...That hand against Fishman alan, I think ONE decision had to be made.<BR/><BR/>Do you want to go to the felt with it. The betting really didn't matter. <BR/><BR/>Scott showed his propensity to shove at any point with any two, and I gather (rather than know), that he took advantage of people taking less chances knowing what was at stake. Which to him at that point was a $75 buy-in with a huge prize pool, that he figured was a lot more than the avergage person was playing for in such a small field. So the question then is, am I going with 15 outs twice, or am I playing it safe, check folding the turn.<BR/><BR/>Peak,<BR/><BR/>Up until the middle of that tournament, scott wasn't playing for a chance at a WSOP seat. Heck, he didn't even know about it. He was just playing because a friend invited him, and he felt like it.<BR/><BR/>Now based off of everything he knows now about the challenge, and how it has come about, and his recent succes, he will most likely play through the rest of them, as time permits. 1) because he knows the value of a red pro attracting more players. And he is doing that to help US get even more prizes the next time around.<BR/>2) because with his win, he now has skin in the game, and, go figure, he actually enjoys it.<BR/><BR/>so peak, to your point, its not like he is trying to WIN a wsop seat. He's just having fun with the rest of us, like the rest of us..<BR/><BR/>Alan, I like your wrap in this post. and I agree with you. Man UP Bitches!!Riggstadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09724818580402350984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8207694267965942223.post-49582282649723363282008-03-04T13:19:00.001-05:002008-03-04T13:19:00.001-05:00In my experience there are tournaments that you ju...In my experience there are tournaments that you just can't do nothing to help your cause. And by that I don't mean that you don't receive good cards, it's a combination of things (players at your table, suckouts, bad timing, coolers, etc...) that leave you making bad moves that other times would have worked.<BR/><BR/>In one tournament the luck factor is huge, but I define luck very broadly (as you surely also do). Getting good cards when matters and having them hold up, flopping the nuts vs the 2nd nuts, having good timing, winning important coinflips, making a key suckout, getting weak players at your table that you can steal from, getting bad players at your table that insist in donating....<BR/><BR/>Well, I guess you can see my point...AnguilAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02730432663394921591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8207694267965942223.post-63916004912606295662008-03-04T13:19:00.000-05:002008-03-04T13:19:00.000-05:00In my experience there are tournaments that you ju...In my experience there are tournaments that you just can't do nothing to help your cause. And by that I don't mean that you don't receive good cards, it's a combination of things (players at your table, suckouts, bad timing, coolers, etc...) that leave you making bad moves that other times would have worked.<BR/><BR/>In one tournament the luck factor is huge, but I define luck very broadly (as you surely also do). Getting good cards when matters and having them hold up, flopping the nuts vs the 2nd nuts, having good timing, winning important coinflips, making a key suckout, getting weak players at your table that you can steal from, getting bad players at your table that insist in donating....<BR/><BR/>Well, I guess you can see my point...AnguilAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02730432663394921591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8207694267965942223.post-87097225404633147012008-03-04T13:03:00.000-05:002008-03-04T13:03:00.000-05:00Monday night was event #2 of the BBT3 and it was a...Monday night was event #2 of the BBT3 and it was a 6 max format for Mondays at the Hoy (MATH). I have never played in the 6 max tournaments before and admittedly, it was a fairly different beast. I really couldn't get much going and in the end, I lost two showdowns AT < J8 (J8 was a relative short stack shoving from CO), AK < AQ (I was shoving but AQ was almost getting the right price to call based on what probably was my shoving range) and the latter knocked me out. I didn't really get anything and besides a few steals and resteals here and there with questionable holdings, I really couldn't do much... and then I did wonder, are there times when nothing clicks and you just kinda get knocked out of the tournament without ever getting in rhythm or do good players still find ways to make stuff happen? Any thoughts there would be appreciated. <BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Man, do I often wonder this myself, especially when it seems like Hoy, LJ or Luck consistently go deep and I only go deep when the cards cooperate. I think they are good at sensing weakness and pushing in situations that I just don't have enough tournament experience to really go for it. Otherwise a very good question and probably a reason I'm a cash player and not a consistent tournament player.<BR/><BR/>The only thing that bothers me about the pros is they can get a ME seat probably any time they want. They can buy in, get a backer or probably even are just sponsored. These options simply aren't available for us bloggers and I doubt Al had that in mind when he set all this up In fact if a bunch of pros do get those seats I doubt Al will set up a BBT4. But good pep talk. Youre right about manning up and playing poker.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08837529956827141862noreply@blogger.com